http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/-t1.htm Area For Discussion about laws, articles, inventions...general (theoretical) anything Wed, 14 Oct 2009 05:44:45 GMT 10 http://illiweb.com/fa/empty.gif http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/-t1.htm http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/brumby-s-dirty-secret-coal-for-export-t128.htm The Met http://www.theage.com.au/environment/brumbys-dirty-secret-coal-for-export-20091013-gvnp.html Victoria’s brown coal reserves look set to be opened up to export on a mass scale — prompting claims the state is putting commercial opportunity ahead of its responsibility to curb greenhouse gas emissions. Confidential cabinet documents obtained by The Age show the Brumby Government is considering offering billions of tonnes of Latrobe Valley coal for competitive tender next year. The ... Discussion of Issues Wed, 14 Oct 2009 05:44:45 GMT http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/brumby-s-dirty-secret-coal-for-export-t128.htm#640 http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/brumby-s-dirty-secret-coal-for-export-t128.htm http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/aycc-t125.htm The Toad what are peoples thoughts???]]> Discussion of Issues Fri, 02 Oct 2009 04:00:38 GMT http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/aycc-t125.htm#612 http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/aycc-t125.htm http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/the-unsteady-road-ahead-t120.htm The Met While most of us enjoy what we can, our age prohibits us from truly experiencing the likely responsibilities in a carbon conscious society in the future... But facts and figures released show us the inevitable consequence that our energy needs are that which seem almost contradictory. An doubling of the population while we seek to cut by half the emissions of today. At the same time our key developing nations (India and China) work to expand their stake in the world, and using should ... Discussion of Issues Mon, 07 Sep 2009 09:37:53 GMT http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/the-unsteady-road-ahead-t120.htm#581 http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/the-unsteady-road-ahead-t120.htm http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/guerilla-action-t108.htm Maja i came across a grand idea the other day, while surfing the net. you know those vacant lots and small patches of dirt next to trainlines? wouldn't it be cool if they were planted with indigenous plants? but that would take too long. so, someone come up with the idea of using seed balls to vegetate such areas. you just walk past casually, chuck a few of them onto the ground and keep walking. just make sure they are actually indigenous species and such. here you can find out how to make them: ... Discussion of Issues Tue, 26 May 2009 18:43:02 GMT http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/guerilla-action-t108.htm#549 http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/guerilla-action-t108.htm http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/carbon-trading-scheme-t113.htm planeteer_rach Does anyone know anything about Turnball's suggestions for the carbon trading scheme? I haven't read much on it, and was wondering whether people thought it was better or worse than Rudd's?]]> Discussion of Issues Wed, 12 Aug 2009 12:12:00 GMT http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/carbon-trading-scheme-t113.htm#559 http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/carbon-trading-scheme-t113.htm http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/bush-fires-t100.htm The Toad this is an article i got from yahoo, Why did so many people die? Did people get enough warning? Should authorities have forced people to leave their homes? These questions and many more will be asked as the full extent of Australia's worst bushfires becomes clear. And hard questions will be asked of Victoria's Department of Sustainability and Environment (DSE) about whether it has done enough to manage the state's forests. Tinder-dry forests were consumed with a fury few people have ... Discussion of Issues Tue, 10 Feb 2009 09:46:30 GMT http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/bush-fires-t100.htm#523 http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/bush-fires-t100.htm http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/werribe-desal-plant-t102.htm The Toad that right they are "looking" into building another desal plant because the recycle water that is produced at werribe recycling plant is to salty so the crops are dying hence the need less salty water. So they want to build a desal plant to filter the recycled water. Is this government so incompident that is cant recycle the water proparley so that is has to build yet another desal plant??? soon every househoold in melbourne is going to have one, yet better a pocket sized version ... Discussion of Issues Wed, 25 Feb 2009 03:58:33 GMT http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/werribe-desal-plant-t102.htm#533 http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/werribe-desal-plant-t102.htm http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/5-t91.htm The Toad John Howard would have picked a target like this.
Back stabbing, hypocritical, phoney, false, dumb, fraud, promise breaking labour.
Kevin 07 more like mistake 08.
Thats it labour our gowing down. Dont know how jet but....
take that ill be able to vote next election succers.]]> Discussion of Issues Tue, 16 Dec 2008 02:29:08 GMT http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/5-t91.htm#495 http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/5-t91.htm http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/dirt-on-brumby-or-is-it-trees-t82.htm The Toad http://www.engagemedia.org/ watch the movie on Brown Mountain
what a freakin hypocrite

the wilderness society wants to make an ad out of this so dont over over publish]]> Discussion of Issues Tue, 02 Dec 2008 10:53:58 GMT http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/dirt-on-brumby-or-is-it-trees-t82.htm#463 http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/dirt-on-brumby-or-is-it-trees-t82.htm http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/our-water-our-future-t81.htm The Toad Hey guys i got this e-mail from sombody asking me to do the following i realy recomend doing it to. URGENT 2 minute Cyber Action -LOGGING OPENS TODAY IN MELBOURNE'S WATER! Please pass on to your networks.Monday, 1 December, 2008 12:41 PM From: "sarah rees" <sarah@tcha.org.au>Add sender to Contacts To: "Forest_Alliance@Yahoogroups. Com" <forest_alliance@yahoogroups.com>, melbourne_water_catchment_network@yahoogroups.com Write 'Nick' a question on the Vic ... Discussion of Issues Mon, 01 Dec 2008 10:19:22 GMT http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/our-water-our-future-t81.htm#460 http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/our-water-our-future-t81.htm http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/police-spying-t52.htm The Toad I knew it, I always had the suspicion that this group was under police surveillance. I know who you are. This explains how you guys good stand being in the same room as me. Common Frankston that sound too good to believe. One thing I don’t understand is how come they sent like thirty of u and u all look so young.... Bad humour aside (hopefully not offensive), this is relating to the 16/10/08 The Age article about the undercover cops in community/activist groups. Its really worth reading. ... Discussion of Issues Thu, 16 Oct 2008 07:51:08 GMT http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/police-spying-t52.htm#248 http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/police-spying-t52.htm http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/monday-10-11the-age-article-about-the-logging-in-gipssland-t76.htm The Toad hey guys just informing u about the article well the bulldozers have arrived in the brown mountains one of old growth forest left. The wilderness society and co are calling for the government to keep their election promise to stop all logging of old growth forest immediately. While the forestry, Barry Vaughen believes it to be " i believe this to be a more sophisticated and more sustainable way of producing natural resouces" then importing timber and plantation timber. The opinion ... Discussion of Issues Thu, 13 Nov 2008 05:27:59 GMT http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/monday-10-11the-age-article-about-the-logging-in-gipssland-t76.htm#370 http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/monday-10-11the-age-article-about-the-logging-in-gipssland-t76.htm http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/carbon-capture-and-storage-t72.htm milo [b]CARBON CAPTURE IS SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCH BULLSHIT!!!! It's called a F***ING TREE PEOPLE!!! They're big tall brown things with little green bits up the top. How about, Rudd and his coal-fire lobby groups cut funding to their precious bloody CCS institute and go and plant a F***ING tree. Furthermore Rudd my dear, how about you--on your extensive petrol fuelled travels-- stop by at Bougainville in PNG to meet the people who have been relocated due to rising sea levels and the erosion ... Discussion of Issues Thu, 30 Oct 2008 08:53:07 GMT http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/carbon-capture-and-storage-t72.htm#330 http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/carbon-capture-and-storage-t72.htm http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/something-interesting-cool-you-found-t51.htm Jo Jo! The place for sharing anything cool/interesting you've found in your travels Discussion of Issues Wed, 15 Oct 2008 11:19:28 GMT http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/something-interesting-cool-you-found-t51.htm#245 http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/something-interesting-cool-you-found-t51.htm http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/wooden-rings-t53.htm The Toad http://www.simplywoodrings.com/
Check this out rings made out of wood
The benefits it reduces the negative impacts of mining both environmental and social as mining often exploits developing nations and displaces native’s people.

This really highlights the power of the consumers, how even the smallest thing can have a massive impact and how careful we have to be in our choices.]]> Discussion of Issues Thu, 16 Oct 2008 11:54:34 GMT http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/wooden-rings-t53.htm#251 http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/wooden-rings-t53.htm http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/luxury-car-tax-t19.htm The Met Luxury car tax bill passes Senate * September 24, 2008 - 8:14AM The federal government's luxury car tax increase finally passed parliament's upper house yesterday night after being heavily amended by cross bench senators. The government's four bills seek to lift the luxury car tax, which applies to cars worth more than $57,180, from 25% to 33%. The bills were defeated in the Senate earlier this month after Family First Senator Steve Fielding sided with the coalition ... Discussion of Issues Wed, 24 Sep 2008 08:23:46 GMT http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/luxury-car-tax-t19.htm#77 http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/luxury-car-tax-t19.htm http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/economic-crisis-environmental-doom-t47.htm The Toad Could this be doom of any global agreement on climate change???? If this develops into a full out depression who is going to care about the environment????? The developed countries won’t cut their emissions as they will want to protect their economies from the tiniest bit of further harm. Greater levels of poverty will exist around the world causing more environmental degradation. On the other hand reduced growth means less emissions as less is being produced and developed, also economies ... Discussion of Issues Sat, 11 Oct 2008 01:52:47 GMT http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/economic-crisis-environmental-doom-t47.htm#232 http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/economic-crisis-environmental-doom-t47.htm http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/clean-coal-t23.htm The Toad Clean Coal? any benefits? Discussion of Issues Wed, 24 Sep 2008 09:03:40 GMT http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/clean-coal-t23.htm#85 http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/clean-coal-t23.htm http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/the-desalination-plant-t42.htm Aleisha positive= more water for the increasing population
negatives= cost of running it and the cost to the environment.
Do they add up?

Aleisha]]> Discussion of Issues Tue, 30 Sep 2008 12:32:35 GMT http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/the-desalination-plant-t42.htm#209 http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/the-desalination-plant-t42.htm http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/the-age-t44.htm The Toad
The Toad, just experimenting]]> Discussion of Issues Wed, 01 Oct 2008 23:11:10 GMT http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/the-age-t44.htm#218 http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/the-age-t44.htm http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/what-do-you-think-t43.htm kayla I took this article from http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=639764. What do you all think? South Australian Premier Mike Rann will push for ambitious targets at Thursday's Council of Australian Governments (COAG) meeting in Perth to make buildings more energy efficient. In a warning against going it alone, the government's climate change adviser said only a global solution was valid. And that was to be studied at next year's Copenhagen meeting to consider the next ... Discussion of Issues Wed, 01 Oct 2008 00:41:30 GMT http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/what-do-you-think-t43.htm#214 http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/what-do-you-think-t43.htm http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/vatican-going-green-t41.htm Aleisha Some good news that will lighten your day. The Vatican is installing solar panels on the roof of the Paul VI audience hall to supply the entire buildings energy requirements. Any excess energy left over will be pumped into the Vatican’s power grid to be used it other areas. Even though the state hasn’t signed the Kyoto protocol it is still trying to reduce its carbon footprint and may eventually become the first state to release no emissions. I am pleased with the progress that the Catholic Church ... Discussion of Issues Tue, 30 Sep 2008 05:00:45 GMT http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/vatican-going-green-t41.htm#187 http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/vatican-going-green-t41.htm http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/stapless-staplers-t36.htm The Toad the best stapless stapler i found,this one does up to 7 sheets http://www.jbox.com/SEARCH/Sun-Star%20Paper%20StitchLock/1/ the secound 5 sheets http://www.treehugger.com/files/2004/12/stapless_staple.php third best 4 sheets http://www.neco.com.au/product.asp?pID=1074&cID=219 fourth 4 sheets http://www.ecc-ltd.co.uk/hs_dtectamet_14.htm apprently they are very popular in japan. The biggest porblem with them is their limited capacity. Discussion of Issues Sat, 27 Sep 2008 00:30:53 GMT http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/stapless-staplers-t36.htm#154 http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/stapless-staplers-t36.htm http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/new-coal-power-plant-t16.htm planeteer_rach
So...

Stupid, stupid new coal power plant. Makes me incredibly angry that the government can be so stupid. Although, on the upside, they did get the luxury car tax through the senate...does anyone no if they had to make amendments??]]> Discussion of Issues Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:30:31 GMT http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/new-coal-power-plant-t16.htm#72 http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/new-coal-power-plant-t16.htm http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/burning-salt-water-t37.htm The Toad http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=s_vjQgCvISU
the way of the future........??????]]> Discussion of Issues Sat, 27 Sep 2008 00:35:19 GMT http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/burning-salt-water-t37.htm#155 http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/burning-salt-water-t37.htm http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/bio-fuels-t28.htm The Toad More then meets the eye Discussion of Issues Wed, 24 Sep 2008 10:03:44 GMT http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/bio-fuels-t28.htm#92 http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/bio-fuels-t28.htm http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/schools-t9.htm sara
I'm trying to put together a list of schools that are active around climate change and the environment for the Australian Youth Climate Coalition. I was wondering if anyone knew of any schools that were active?

thanks,

Sara.]]> Discussion of Issues Fri, 19 Sep 2008 00:24:48 GMT http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/schools-t9.htm#21 http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/schools-t9.htm http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/hydrogen-t27.htm The Toad hydrogen v electricity v ...? Discussion of Issues Wed, 24 Sep 2008 10:02:57 GMT http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/hydrogen-t27.htm#91 http://visen.forumotion.net/discussion-of-issues-f2/hydrogen-t27.htm